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Woolery's avatar

I don’t disagree with your headache example. The difference between it and your initial example (mild discomfort of many distinct beings weighed against the torture of one) is that in your initial example the discomfort of many is experienced only discretely. No one receives more than one dose of mild discomfort. There is no being who experiences the total discomfort of all the tvs being turned off. This is why I believe one person’s torture is still worse than everyone’s mild discomfort.

In your headache example, and subsequent examples, you aggregate all the discomforts in a single individual, who does bear the full weight of the aggregated discomfort.

These two examples are apples and oranges to me.

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Akber Khan's avatar

You've convinced me that you can aggregate utility within people, and that people are bad at estimating crowd sizes, but I am not convinced you can aggregate utility across people in the way you are describing. Woolery said it best: the intuition against aggregating this way comes from the fact that we are comparing experiences here, and no single individual feels the sum of all the inconveniences of having the super bowl shut off.

Also, why is the best aggregation function automatically summation? I think comparing average utility between groups very easily gets you to prefer saving the one person from being tortured. And it preserves a justifiable focus on experience.

Great post! Always looking to be challenged on my skepticism about aggregating utility.

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